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Forgiveness recognizes what you thought your brother did to you has not occurred.
An unforgiving thought is one which makes a judgement that it will not raise to doubt, although it is not true.
Personal context: This is where I am wrt to ACIM and myself, in the beginning of part II of the workbook. In the intro it says:
Words will mean little now. We use them but as guides on which we do not now depend. For now we seek direct experience of truth alone.
I've had numerous experiences of this forgiveness, when something in me that is larger than me, finds a place within the smaller me, to recognize forgiveness.
Would love to hear others, how you have experienced forgiveness.
An unforgiving thought is one which makes a judgement that it will not raise to doubt, although it is not true.
Personal context: This is where I am wrt to ACIM and myself, in the beginning of part II of the workbook. In the intro it says:
Words will mean little now. We use them but as guides on which we do not now depend. For now we seek direct experience of truth alone.
I've had numerous experiences of this forgiveness, when something in me that is larger than me, finds a place within the smaller me, to recognize forgiveness.
Would love to hear others, how you have experienced forgiveness.
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Re: What is forgiveness ?
Fri, June 10, 2005 - 2:28 AMWhat aspect "does" the forgiving? Is it personal or impersonal? Is it I or not-I?
I got to that stage when I read ACIM as a kid and stopped because I didn't understand then what was being words.
Direct experience of what?
These are questions I live with.
Context: I am at workbook lesson 66 or 7 and happily stalled there.
Rgds,
PB.
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Unsu...
Re: What is forgiveness ?
Fri, June 10, 2005 - 4:47 AM
And if you cant forgive ... forgive yourself for not being able to : )
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Re: What is forgiveness ?
Fri, June 10, 2005 - 10:16 AMThis one can be hard to work. It represents surrendering our perceptions of an individual, or a situation, and asking for them to be cleansed so that we can see the Divine within, and realize that it was our own internal process/judgmental nature that made someone wrong in the first place, and that we are free to choose again, and therein find peace.
That having been said I need some clarity on it.
How would it work in regards to surrendering your perceptions of say someone who raped you or killed someone you loved, or whatever? How does that work? Obviously somewhere within that person is the seed of God, but, I have a hard time seeing whatever judgements I might pass as being my own fault. This really confuses me. -
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Re: What is forgiveness ?
Fri, June 10, 2005 - 11:17 PMExcellent question - something most people are battling with.
When I have been reading ACIM the one thing that has plagued me is a thought that sort of runs like this.
Person X did bad to me for NO REASON
- I dont want judgement I dont want vengence (well I dont think I do) all I want is however I should at least have an avenue for my opinion - is that too much to ask ? Abstract Closure without action or consequence is frustating for the ego.
Perhaps its more of a "you have a well of energy" you can spent it getting even etc or you can spend it enjoying what ELSE is possible ... use your time to create not judge others creations ( even if they effected your creations ) - the "at some level you invited that involvement" thing is a very hard pill to swallow ... especially as you said concerning anothers blatant disrespect for the options you have.
The idea that "your here to learn and understand the consequences of everything - you have done something simular before to another in a previous life and did not understand what you effected ... so your learning it the hard way" ... is all very well and good from an abstract point of view ... but to be "ok and move on with it now" while you DONT have access to the entirity of knowledge where it does make sense ... is a heavy cross to bear.
The answer Im sure is soo subjective (due to your own identits perspective ) - even if you did find that answer the chance of that "understanding" being something that can be inspired in others ? ... probably one of the highest hurdles.
Some in these forums beleive that is Exactly why we are hear - and that "souls" that choose this path are brave and rare and somehow abilities / options will become available that are not possible to those that dont.... there BETTER be some major improvement thing from this road ( as a soul I would be kicking myself if it was tooo academic ... cant belevie I would be that stupid).
even if its release without
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Re: What is forgiveness ?
Sat, June 11, 2005 - 2:56 AMIn some of my more lucid moments, inbetween my frequent moments of judging myself and others,
it seems as if this concept, the unforgiving thought, is not creating my experienced reality, but rather imposes a filter, a veil, upon my experienced reality.
An example:
- Hey John, you're full of shit !
( me reacting: WTF, and look who's talking ! )
( Me projecting a nice outer persona ):
- How interesting, would you care to elaborate on that ?
Same external trigger:
- Hey John, you're full of shit !
( me recognizing, embracing and forgiving those aspects of me that could be somehow connected with, and having given rise to such a statement, in the ongoing thoughtstream of projections and counterprojections, all within our own judging minds )
- Yes, from your point of view, you're probably right.
Reflecting on the things I've posted, it seems as if I'm at a place,
where I'm learning to relinquish judgements, by recognizing what happens in me, and in my fellow human being, when these events occur. It is as if I'm placing a forgiving thought, right next to the unforgiving thought. -
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Re: What is forgiveness ?
Sun, June 12, 2005 - 2:16 PMWoW I will respond when I have more time. I have been away dealing with human/social issues..so glad to see so much input here...P & E L -
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Unsu...
Re: What is forgiveness ?
Sun, June 12, 2005 - 9:57 PMSorry just to clarify my statement above
when I wrote "Person X did bad to me for NO REASON" -
I ment one where it seems obvious that person X is only causing problems for her/himself from your POV - and from your POV unjustified (near pointless for you can imagine they visualise to gain) and unprovoked (for its seeming strength/intention and the future options that action limits).
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Re: What is forgiveness ?
Tue, June 28, 2005 - 6:30 PMForgiveness:
Taking responsibility for the creation of your life experiences without blame or judgement.
Opening your heart to love and trust, knowing that each moment has been perfectly manifested for your own growth. allowing life to shape you without taking it personally.
Blessings, T
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