Here's an exercise that can be fun.
If God didn't make the world who did?
Was it just one person, or maybe two?
If it was two, what does the condition of the world say about their relationship?
or, who put the sharks in the bathtub?.............
If God didn't make the world who did?
Was it just one person, or maybe two?
If it was two, what does the condition of the world say about their relationship?
or, who put the sharks in the bathtub?.............
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 8:54 AMwhat about Satan....the illusion maker? {just kidding}.... -
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:41 PMIn that context, we are satan, the illusion maker.
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 3:57 PMHe seems to be the big archetype of wrong doing.
Everyones favorite bogyman,
but what about gladiolas and roses and butterfly's? Was that him to? :)
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 12:42 PMHow about this, some of us chose to be the sharks in the tank. -
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 3:51 PMThat's funny..... :)
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Sun, February 10, 2008 - 7:32 PMGo Teal ! :-)
(for the uninitiated, that's the San Jose Sharks hockey--
and some indeed do live near the shark tank)
I was going to ask what sharks? All "sharkiness"
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 6:47 AMIt's funny how much effort goes into protecting against the "unreal" and talking about the "unreal".
Going to see the "unreal" on a Saturday night.
Avoiding the "unreal", by saying it's unreal, when you definitely behave as if it's real.
Reality is certainly a conversation in the Course, but theres a difference between discussing that ,
and pretending sharks, "what sharks", don't exist while behaving as if they do.
Season tickets?
The post is only meant to be an exercise in imagination, using a background of study in the Course in Miracles and similar material to light up possible scenarios for dealing with life as we find it, in the hope of discovering a way to get through it with some measure of grace.
Meeting sharks in the ocean, or bears in the woods, or bee's in the bonnet is an experience.
Wondering about it and using my imagination to consider how it came to be, is more fun than intellectualizing about it's existence when everyday our experience tells us that we need to respond to life somehow. Try telling the folks you meet today that they're not real and see how that works for ya.
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 9:38 AMI believe it was the great Tibetan master
Jamgon Mipham who said that telling
people (when they are suffering) that their
suffering is empty just makes them mad.
Well, its true! And if they get mad, that's their
business. Sure. I'm the first person to agree
that in ACIM and other metaphysical and mystical
paths there's far too much information and not enough
understanding; too much word processing and
and not enough thought processing. So sometimes
its honestly compassionate to be blunt with the truth;
other times it's kind to let it be and maybe help the person
consider that there might be other ways of experiencing
what they are experiencing. But in my opinion, it does people
no good to let them wallow in it. Of course, practically speaking
from an ACIM point of view all action (healing action) is guided
by the HS or an inner light of love.
I'd never invite people to pretend that what they are experiencing
isn't real for them as they experience it, yet ACIM does ask us
to question our beliefs, assumptions, opinions and expectations
around our experience. If the scaffolding goes, so does the experience
because it wasn't real in truth-- it always was just our way of experiencing.
Pretending is one thing, simulating is another. We practice what we don't
yet know experientally, loking beyond appearences, trusting the intangible.
That's what we get from doing the lessons. Eventually it becomes our
direct experience it is not simulated. Maybe this makes sense?
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 10:52 AMha, but if bitten by a shark, it feels pretty real !! doesn't it ?.. -
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 11:32 AMThat's one reason I don't go near them. :-)
You know there's the famous poem:
"autobiography in five chapters"
it's about avoiding suffering.
But when you are face to face, it makes sense
to deal appropriately. Maybe it feels so real to
you because you believe that you're as real
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 11:47 AMImagination, exploration, in light of divine inspiration,..............
oh shoot that rhymes...... :)
Well anyway, thanks for keeping the flow of ideas moving, and for your sincerity and playfulness,
in the face life"s difficult tangles.
Peace. and please keep the ball rolling......
I appreciate and enjoy hearing your thoughts and ideas.
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 12:01 PMThat's an excellent track to follow.....
I'll bet it hurts like.......@#*%
So there's the "life" of the body, beauty and tragedy and so forth,
which is unavoidable...... at least while ya got one,
and the condition of spirit.........
can the condition of spirit maybe ease the experience of life in the body?
( I never meant the shark thing to represent anything to do with your name, I just noticed it as I was posting this now, and hope you don't feel like I was being sly or something )
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 2:43 PMhaha, no i didn't take it personaly of course...! i am pretty nice shark. although in extreme situations i know i could attack quite well.
like if someone threathens my life or my kids, i would kill. therefore i would not be a very good student of The Miracle Book.
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 3:49 PMmaybe the thing to do is start reading lesson 1 today
then lesson 2 tomorow...
we'll see how good a student you are.
As it says: "this is a required course..."
That doesn't mean these three books, but what underlies
them is really how to effectively be a human being.
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 7:15 PM
Lots of ways to answer that Sharka, and it's a good question.
The Course has a lot to say about life and death....
To honor the question, I'll give you what I feel is most meaningful to me,
in my mind and awareness from studying the Course.
I'll put it in my own words, rather than quote directly from the book, as it helps me a lot to try to articulate what I'm still learning myself.
As I reach to describe what I'm trying to make a home for inside myself, I can see where I am from how I speak about it.
It helps me see what I'm still struggling to incorporate, and also what feels clear to me.
One of the greatest gifts has been a growing certainty that what happens to my body, your body, all our bodies, is different than the condition of spirit as God created me. It's as If God created me perfect, safe, powerful and innocent, and then I made another version of me that is it's opposite. Someone who is in danger, imperfect, and guilty of all kinds of stuff.
The self I made needs to be defended, has to learn everything, and will die no matter how well I treat it.
All my "creations", need to be protected from the same things that afflict me. I love them because I made them, but feel completely vulnerable because of their frailty. When threatened, I too will go to war to protect what I love.
The Course is teaching me, and I'm learning to trust what I'm learning, that what I love deeply is actually safe, cannot be harmed, and is innocent.
Your supposed to protect what you love, no question about it, and protecting your body and family and everything you love is essential to your own well being. It's just a question of what constitutes the best protection, the very best, the sure thing, like no kidding, so that what I love is safe, and I'll give my life to make sure of it, if that's what it takes.
We can't stop things like death and injury from happening to our bodies, or those of our families. We can however choose what the truth about them really is. If we choose, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to see them differently, to identify them differently, we can discover a way to live with what happens to our bodies and theirs without love and what we love, ever being threatened or harmed. We can relax the well meant vigilance with which we guard them, and in it's place expand the love we already have for them.
Sorry if I went on to long. When I understand it better I'll be maybe I'll be able to say it really well in a few lines of brilliant prose!,
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 10:48 PMCG
There's certainly nothing wrong with what you've written.
I agree that paraphrasing is best, because ACIM is not a
religion or an aternate bible with all the correct beliefs that
one simply learns like information.
Back in the 80's Jack and Layle Luckett (the most amazing
ACIM teachers) presented it to me this way. "Just take the
medicine." What they further explained is that the lessons
themselves are the course. We experiement with trying on
the ideas contained in them. It's the lab course where you
apply the principles. The text is like the big brochure that comes
with the pill bottle. it describes the disease, what the medicine
does, how it works, what its chemistry is, etc. You might like to
know those things but the actual treatment is the lessons.
So as a mystical and metaphysical path, ACIM will produce
specific measurable changes and result in your life just by
practicing the daily lessons. Actually I invite people to go to
the teacher's manual as a secondary resource to lessons
before going to the text. One reason is that the manual is pure
poetry and not as heady or intellectual.
Then we have forums like this and our local study groups
to explore the implications of what we're experiencing
in our "journey without distance" away from ego and into love.
Keep the conversation alive.
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Tue, February 12, 2008 - 1:48 PMI like what you wrote CG. Especially in this paragraph. I think you said it well.
>>We can't stop things like death and injury from happening to our bodies, or those of our families. We can however choose what the truth about them really is. If we choose, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to see them differently, to identify them differently, we can discover a way to live with what happens to our bodies and theirs without love and what we love, ever being threatened or harmed. We can relax the well meant vigilance with which we guard them, and in it's place expand the love we already have for them.
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Tue, February 12, 2008 - 9:00 PMthanks Christie,
It's silly, but I thought your picture was of a chain, (before I ever looked at your profile) :)
I was thinking of all these metaphors for the chain in spiritual life, you know, the great chain of being, the ancestral chain linking us to each other and into antiquity........... I was thinking it was really cool as an image, and minimalist ,and sort of east coast.........
Then I see it's a flying you! Now that's very cool......... I can really run with that, flying people.... oh yeah, that'll occupy me for days.
"When seeing with the awareness of light, with the awareness of the Holy Spirit, and having the willingness to let the Holy Spirit use our abilities to make miracles possible for others, miracles do happen."
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Tue, February 12, 2008 - 10:48 PMThat's so cool that you saw my icon that way. It reminds me of songs, or poetry. Like how songs can be interpreted in different ways. The best songs are ones that have lyrics that shed light in different ways to different people. I especially like songs in which I thought the lyrics were saying something different than what I later learned they were, but that my idea of what the lyrics were meant something beautiful, perhaps even profound.
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Wed, February 13, 2008 - 12:07 AM
"The best songs are ones that have lyrics that shed light in different ways"
she weaves secrets in her hair
she's deep as a whale
another day wastes away
and my heart sinks with the sun
a new day is dawning
and a new day has not yet begun
so anyway
there I was
just sittin on your poarch
drinking in
the sweetest decline
what's the use in regret
theirs just things
we haven't done yet
what I regret
is just lessons
we haven't learned yet
another day draws away
and
my heart sinks with the sun
it's like catching snow on my tongue
you can't pin this butterfly down.................
Beth Orton
The Sweetest Decline, from the CD Central Reservation....
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Sun, February 17, 2008 - 1:01 PMThat's a beautiful song.
Here's my example of songs that can have more than one meaning. These two songs were usually played back to back at Grateful Dead concerts.
"Scarlet Begonias"
words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia
As I was walkin' round Grosvenor Square
Not a chill to the winter
but a nip to the air
From the other direction
she was calling my eye
It could be an illusion
but I might as well try
Might as well try.
She had rings on her fingers and
bells on her shoes,
And I knew without askin' she was
into the blues
Scarlet begonias
tucked into her curls
I knew right away
she was not like other girls--
other girls
In the thick of the evening
when the dealing got rough
She was too pat to open and
too cool to bluff
As I picked up my matches and
was closing the door
I had one of those flashes:
I'd been there before--
been there before.
[Bridge]
I ain't often right
but I've never been wrong
It seldom turns out the way
it does in the song
Once in a while
you get shown the light
in the strangest of places
if you look at it right
Well there ain't nothin' wrong
with the way she moves
Or scarlet begonias or a
touch of the blues
And there's nothing wrong with
the love that's in her eye
I had to learn the hard way
to let her pass by--
let her pass by
The wind in the willows played Tea for Two
The sky was yellow and the sun was blue
Strangers stopped strangers
just to shake their hand
Everybody's playing
in the Heart of Gold Band
Heart of Gold Band
"Fire On the Mountain"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Mickey Hart
Long distance runner what you standing there for?
Get up, get off, get out of the door
You're playing cold music on the bar room floor,
drowned in your laughter and dead to the core
There's a dragon with matches loose on the town
Take a whole pail of water just to cool him down
Fire - Fire On the Mountain
Fire - Fire on the mountain
Almost aflame still you don't feel the heat
Takes all you got just to stay on the beat
You say it's a living, we all gotta eat
but you're here alone there's no one to compete
If mercy's in business I wish it for you
More than just ashes when your dreams come true
Fire - Fire on the mountain
Fire - Fire on the mountain
Long distance runner what you holdin out for?
Caught in slow motion in your dash to the door
The flame from your stage has now spread to the floor
You gave all you got, why you wanta give more?
The more that you give, why, the more it will take
to the thin line beyond which you really cannot fake
There's a fire
Fire on the mountain
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Sun, February 17, 2008 - 4:43 PMYes please, I'd love to hear more also, and I have a good Grateful Dead story I'll tell ya later Christie.
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