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I wish that be true! Just thiking the moments of someone being beheaded, raped, abused on and on, etc.. Even Jesus was sweating blood in the garden of Getsemania! Hmm, I guess I do not get this one. ? ?
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Mon, June 25, 2007 - 7:08 PMSharka...
Were you quoting directly from The Course?
I can easily recall The Course's statement that "anger is not justified in any form."
But, if you will allow me to respond, I can say the same is true for fear, once you understand it for what it is.
First and foremost, you must understand that only your false self concept -- your ego -- can experience fear in any form. Fear is the response that would protect THE BODY as being more real than your SPIRIT... and this is the real basis for understanding what The Course has to offer you in understanding who -- and what -- you really are.
What I can tell you about Jesus's response in the Garden of Gethsemane was his agony over going through with what had been set into motion... and to give in to his fear would have handed "victory" over to the same mindless thinking that still rules this planet... that "might makes right"... and that if I can destroy your BODY, I can then destroy YOU. Jesus proved this to be untrue not with his words but with his actions.
Fear is a belief in something that is not there. Once you understand what it is you fear, fear disappears... and what takes its place is love.
The Course also states, and repeatedly, that its goal is to help us achieve release from fear. This can only happen IF YOU DO THE LESSONS. Here is where you need the most motivation... because your ego will always try very hard to convince you that it is "impossible" to learn these new ideas about love instead of fear, forgiveness instead of anger, and peace instead of guilt and shame. -
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Tue, June 26, 2007 - 12:33 AMps. also considering guilt and shame.does it mean that even when we do something "evil", for example hurting someone etc., we are not supposed to feel guilty or ashamed for our actions? i think feeling of guilt can be very benefitial sometimes? -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Wed, June 27, 2007 - 10:18 PMWhat examples do you have of guilt being benificial. Guilt is just another form of fear that you have done something wrong, or that you are not worthy. It is the same as anger and fear. -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Wed, June 27, 2007 - 10:39 PMIndeed. Remorse is useful, but guilt only keeps one stuck in the past.
But if one remains present to one's Divine nature as a "Holy Child of God,"
one won't behave badly in the first place. Now if you do things that aren't
espressions of "the best you" -- you could judge that and therefore feel guilt,
but that is only self-punishment. The guit is a result of the judgement that
it was bad. According to ACIM nothing is bad because everything can be
corrected (purified if you will) by seeing it in the light of love and compassion.
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Thu, June 28, 2007 - 6:35 PMFor example... I really have a hard time with those individuals who abusse children. like sexually on reagular basis. those are not supposed to feel little ashamed and guilty and stop this behavior? I would love to see so.
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Mon, June 25, 2007 - 9:38 PMI got a piece of paper with this affirmation - Fear is not justified in any form - on my wall! I thought it definitely comes from the Course in Miracles, since indeed it sounds almost the same as Anger is not justified...Thank you for your reply! I think that on human level existing entirely without fear is pretty much impossible. Specialy in some traumatic moments! -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Mon, June 25, 2007 - 10:21 PMHmm.
Why do we justify anger, which is fear?
It's not that it's not justifyable, it's that if you justify it you suffer. -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Tue, June 26, 2007 - 8:38 AMAnger is basicaly fear. that is good to know....
Also why did Jesus suffer even while being The Son of God?
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Tue, June 26, 2007 - 8:52 AMIt is true that Jesus chose. He even had foreknowledge
of his fate as he approached Jerusalem. But remember--
the there are 4 cannonical gospels and they present
very different stories. You have to look at them side by side.
In John, Jesus was not very much affected by his
humanity but in Mark, not much influenced by Divinity.
But the Gethsemany story indicates his choice, but so does
his unwillingness to respond to Pilate as an authority or
Power in his life.
So more to the point -- crucifixion and everything else
isn't fun-- clearly it was painful, but we have no reason
to think that it was "suffering." Pain we all experience, suffering
is something we add to the mix.
ACIM says there is only One "Son of God." This teaching is consistent with
the Jewish notion of Messiah (the whole people is anointed and chosen.)
It follows that you (both in the singlular and plural sense) are the Child of God.
You can say to every Pilate in your life "you have no power over my life"...
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Thu, June 28, 2007 - 6:42 PMthank you for the insight on 4 gospels.
gospels are pretty deep scripts. specialy John.
when truly awakened we "should" have the same powers as Jesus did. heal any disases. cannot wait for the medical industry
and drug companie to go out of business.....{haha}
"whoever believes in me will do even greater things then i did..."
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Fri, June 29, 2007 - 6:42 AMsharka... "you are the light of the world..."
what is there to do, anyway, except shift our perception from fear to love?
when others perceive you as a "transmitter of love," they literally fall in love with you, feeling more loving toward themselves because you have raised their consciousness to a higher level just by being who you are.
there is no difference between love and joy!
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Fri, June 29, 2007 - 9:03 AMi never thought that there is no difference between love and joy! lovely*** -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Fri, June 29, 2007 - 9:13 AMSharka--
When you do the daily lessons, you will have many new thoughts
that will make a big difference in the quality of your life.
You will let of of fear thoughts and judgements, you will step
into being love and joy 24/7/365. You will be Christ Presence
on the earth. It will be only joy for people to know you.
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Sat, July 21, 2007 - 6:31 PM<...I think that on human level existing entirely without fear is pretty much impossible. Specialy in some traumatic moments!>
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Sharka....
The Course emphasizes relationships as the primary means of spiritual evolution... and the very best way for us to recognize God. To recognize another as yourself, you have overcome the ego's main tool for separating us from each other, from the earth, and from God. This is the perpetual illusion we all are challenged to overcome in life.
It is truly wasted energy to give any thought about what you might consider a "trauma."
Why?
The world we see is nothing more an OUTWARD PICTURE of an INWARD CONDITION. What you see, then, is what you expect to see. And what you expect is what you invite, according to The Course.
This is why it's imperative that we learn how to reinterpret anger and attack (the ego's chief weapons to keep us fearful of one another).
So if you "see" trauma out in the world, you are listening to the voice of ego... the voice of fear! If, on the other hand, you are willing to see others as part of your Self -- your true Self which is pure Light -- you have the opportunity to produce miracles for those who believe they are still enslaved within a body.
How?
By using the body as a communications instrument for love, not fear.
When you show up as a person who has no fear of another person, you automatically teach them it's OK to relax and be happy around you because YOU ARE NOT JUDGING THEM...the way the rest of the world seems to do.
Said another way, you don't have to do anything "special" in order for me to like you just as you are. When someone else "gets" you as a person who offers unconditional love, they literally fall in love with you! Sometimes this gets a bit wonky when sex moves into the picture, but sex really has nothing to do with unconditional love. Sex is about desire... to possess that which cannot be owned -- a mad delusion -- albeit the most powerful one this world offers for two people to get into a relationship.
If it weren't for sex, some people would never stay together long enough to fully learn the really hard lessons of life... selfless devotion... compassion... faith... trust... ).
"Row, row, row your boat... gently down the stream..."
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Sat, July 21, 2007 - 10:50 PMHere is what I know... until October 20th 2006 I used to fear the unknow, the what ifs in life and worried about the things in life that I had no control over, for example, President Bush and his decisions to go to war. Knowing full well that the reasons given to invade were just that his (their) reasons. It didn't matter the what, just that it was going to happen no matter.
The creation of this decision is the mess we find ourselves in, fear of the other person or in this case people. Regardless this society for the most part was turned into mindless fearful people bent on taking care of a problem that we helped to create. It is our creation.
The unfortunate part about this is that most fear death, 9/11 helped to draw that home for the first time in many years for America. For the world. It was a sad moment for me as for the first time I realized just how ugly we can be as human beings when we choose to do so in the name of fairness.
When the 20th came, I was dead for a 20 minute period, and on my birthday the 21st the emergency room at Wilcox Hospital brought me back to this earthly plain. This is where the fear factor for me left my life once and for all. It took the realization that death will visit me so what is there to ponder? Perhaps the manner in which it will take place is the only thing that I have to think about, but that doesn't even enter the picture. I see the world as cause and effect, and action and reaction, perhaps the only difference now is that fear is gone.....
If you were to ask me prior to then if fear is a part of life I would say of course, now I know that I have created it. I would venture to say that if that had not happened, perhaps I wouldn't be responding to this blog... and because of it, I can only share withh you my experience....
Anger is a part of the fear that we respond with, sort of like our armour. In realilty it only serves to muddle the huddle....lol When fear is dispelled, so too goes anger. Where there is no fear there is no anger, as there is no longer a threat to thought word or deed.
Living without fear may seem impossible, however, it isn't... It only needs to be paid no attention, given no thought, or follow through... once you give in to it, it will haunt you wherever you go, and whatever you do....
From caring what another person likes or doesn't about you.... who cares? The question should be do I care for me? Do I love me enough to pull myself up and move on to becoming the being that makes me devine? Humane? Someone that I can live with everyday of my life? Someone that I like?
We will not please everyone, every minute and every second.... that I think is impossible to accomplish until we please ourself... once done... fear you will note no longer exsists in your life.... it doesn't in mine.... that is the greatest gift that I've been given and try to share here with you.
Remember that statement that the only thing your have to fear is fear aone? That was and still is the most profound statement that we've yet to learn.....
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Fri, July 20, 2007 - 7:44 PMIf and when you realize that fear is our own creation, then the answer for you may be yes. Up and until your realization is the understanding that fear is only an illusion, everything will seem justified that it is...
For me, there are endless possiblities to endless senarios, know this that we will eventually all die, the manner in which that happens depends upon our own choices that we make (create) and therefore the situations we put ourselves in.
Abuse, Rape and the like are possibilities for some, and there is nothing that we can do to change that other than trying not to find ourselves in that position. That said, fear does not change this only compounds it, creating more havoic than we need them to be.
The only thing I am sure of is this, once you release fear in your life the changes are profound. -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Sat, July 21, 2007 - 6:43 PM<snip>
"...The only thing I am sure of is this, once you release fear in your life the changes are profound."
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You're exactly right, Charles. But the problem I've had ever since I grew up listening to preachers ramble on up in their pulpit about "You must LOVE your brother..." (right, I'm thinking, but HOW? NOBODY EVER GIVES US A HOW-TO LESSON...only some stupid command to achieve perfection without ever learning HOW!)
And here is exactly where The Course comes in. It is a STEP-BY-STEP course in mind training that teaches us how to reach that place we all want to be.
In my experience, most people are way too comfy to get serious about self-transformation. When it starts to get a little hard, they bolt right back to where it's most comfortable for them, usually trading their charm in exchange for the affection of someone who only wants to get in their pants and then ho-hum go find someone else to screw that's more exciting, with better-looking body parts, or who doesn't prattle on about spiritual nonsense.
But when a person hits ROCK BOTTOM... and life has turned into total turmoil, and there's generally no one who can pull them out... then they seem to get what The Course has to say about the nature of forgiveness and letting go of the past... for themselves as well as for everyone else.
Ya gotta do the lessons...that's the key. Otherwise, you're just another spiritual dabbler-babbler sampling the next trend in living without shame and remorse (none of us here do that!)
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Sat, July 21, 2007 - 8:34 PM
practicaly if someone is going after me with a knife, naturaly i will feel pretty scared. right?
my personal experience from childhood - my father {who later commited suicide} went after
my mother and me with a knife to kill us. so so it didn't happen. for me it was very traumatic
experience and took me some years to heal this moment.
~Only perfect love exists,
If there is fear,it produces a state that does not exist.~
...does this mean that if i get killed and i am also full of fear at the moment - it acctually is not real?
{although the moment sucks pretty bad, and feels as real as hell???}
i do get on the highest level of my being the truths in the Course! Only perfect love exists! Yes!
but also.. down here on a human plane gets pretty real..
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Sat, July 21, 2007 - 8:36 PMhuh, what happened...where is my post
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Wed, August 15, 2007 - 6:01 PMFEAR can spur us on to do good + things, for us & others!
I have fear, we all have fear! I have fear that people won't understand the life giving qualities of stemcells: tribes.tribe.net/stemcellsgivelife
I also have fear, whenever I go shopping in my wheelchair! Fear of angry & SAD looks I get!
STEMCELLS will help me get outta my chair: tribes.tribe.net/stemcellsgivelife -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 9:35 AMdidn't Jesus heal by power of God? where is that power now... as we are all Son of God. *! -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any from?
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 9:36 AMi mean he did some profound MIRACLES. healing blind, raising the dead...and so. -
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 9:40 AM...and so step up to the plate. Do the lessons,
become a miracle worker.
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Whereis the Power?
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 9:37 AMThat power remains unaccessed by you.
Always available, like an heir who doesn't
know they own a fortune, you remain impoverished.
Let go of littleness and gradiosity and gain All Greatness.
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 11:30 AMSURE~fear is justified in many forms~JUST PART OF LIFE~ but we have CHOICES to make in how WE react!
Reacting with love and acceptance FREE'S us from having to LIVE in fear!
~put a smile on your face while you push through it! I push through it to find PEACE on the other side! ~THE BEST thing we can do in the face of FEAR is to just ACCEPT!
TRY.NOT to put yourself in fearfull situation!
LIFE IS ABOUT CHOICES~ choose the less fearfull path!!!!!!!!!!! -
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Re: Fear is not justified in any form?
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 12:36 PMACIM doesn't say that.
It says that we choose fear because we think that it will
get us what we think we want. Since that never works,
fear isn't justifiable. We still choose it because we either
see no option, or are simply deluded. Love is always
justifiable because it awlways gives us everything we
*really* want. The "gifts of the ego" we never *really* want.
There are no fearful positions. We fear, therefore we find things
to fear. Those things then feed back and give us evidence that there
really are things that can hurt a fully diviney endowed Holy Child
of God. It is clar that you who are One with your Source cannot be
harmed in any way.
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