Help w/the "masculine" language...

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hey-all, Brothers and Sisters in The Light!

i'm a Deep Courser, and one thing i'd love to hear about from y'all, is what sort of approaches u've taken with people who are put off by the "Father, Son, Brother, etc" language of The Course.

i'm cool w/it, as i see that this all has NOTHING to do w/gender, but for SOME good-hearted folks out there, it's a turn-off, and i'm curious what u've worked out to "sell" that aspect to those that u feel might benefit from having Brother J Course-ing through their veins... ???


Peace and Power, DanSir
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  • Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

    Fri, November 18, 2005 - 2:14 PM
    My most delightful teachers Jack and Eulalia Luckett
    taught us to change any words that might be a stumbling
    block.

    This was based on Bill Thetford's example. When two
    course brothers were arguing over the meaing of a particular passage and asked him for his opinion-- who was right.
    He said: "Tear the page out. It's not worth the separation
    of the Christ."

    Jack and Layle told us a story: One student was an Atheist,
    so naturally had a problem with the God talk. This guy was also a rather emotionally shut down macho sort. Jack asked:
    What do you really like? He said: Well I kinda like Zucchini.
    Jack said: From now on, every time you see Father, God, Christ you read 'the great zucchini'.

    They also taught us to change "Sinlessness" to
    "Innocence" ... etc.
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      Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

      Fri, November 18, 2005 - 2:58 PM
      Part of the reason the Course was given to Shucman as a correction to the way Christianity and the messe of the Christ had become distorted over time. So the masculine language was used to align with the current Christian language from the bible etc. The language has been seen as one of the more troublesome aspects of the Course and scares a lot of people away, and like Mark's great response in our seminars we support students to understand that God/Goddess has no genitalia.. no innie or outie..... neither a patriarch nor matriarch.

      One of my favourite books is "Conversations with God" I wouldn't pick it up off the shelf in my bookstore for several months because of the title, even though it was our top selling title by a mile. One day I got over it, opened the book and virtually never closed it, that was ten years ago. I found the same block with ACIM.

      Great question by the way!



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    Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

    Sat, November 19, 2005 - 7:17 PM
    I don't take it personally.
    I was one of those people who took offence, to start, changed the language, was super conscious about it... but then something happened, then at some point realised I was attaching myself too much to the words and my definition of those words. Shifting the language was taking me out of flow and mindfull prayer, instead I was in my head and not experiencing.
    We all have our insights to shed light upon, this is where my travels lead me. one of my philosophies is take what you need and leave the rest, but do try it. I haven't necessarily tried to "sell" anyone the course though
    blessed be
    aurora
  • Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

    Tue, January 10, 2006 - 2:08 PM
    New to The Course, but to comment a little on language...I agree with everyone on this thread...the approach for myself took some time, for I was against anything Christianity for a long time. Blindly diving into other, alternative & eastern religions.

    But I came to realize the similiarities among all religions and concluded that it really doesn't matter what you call God (speaking of the Highest of Highs in our own consciousness), or what you call enlightened ones such as Jesus, Buddha etc...The fact is God exist, whether you think it's a he/she, has eight limbs, 2 heads, black, white, green, yellow, an alkaline battery or just IS....depending on culture and/or callings you may call God what you will...

    These enlightened beings realized that and did teach that, in their own cultural, cryptic way. However over the thousands of years their teachings have been diluted by the powers that be and their own names corrupted with what they taught. Therefore there is this stigma attached to such words as Jesus, Sin, God, etc....

    Jesus was a man that lived 2000 years ago and realized his Christ Consciousness (now that is a word we use in place of enlightenment or anyother term you may want to use) and tried to teach this to his followers. Jesus died in the flesh and went on to the other realms where we will soon one day go. Christ Consciousness exist among us all, inside of us all.. Don't like Christ Consciousness or even Enlightenment, hell make up your own word....maybe Poodle Dip....maybe I'll have to work on that one a little though...

    I like the idea of if you don't like it, change it....whatever make you feel all tingly inside, use it...

    much love
    Sij
    • Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

      Tue, January 10, 2006 - 7:46 PM
      Those who are uncomfortable with the language of the Course may want to explore the Seth material channeled by Jane Roberts. The content is comparable, but the language is less off-putting and the tone is more relaxed and affable.
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      Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

      Wed, January 11, 2006 - 3:40 PM
      thanks for openning this line again.
      On the first I rebegan the course after a 5 year divergance with motherhood, I had only made it to lesson 70 or so, so decided to begin again.
      A small question that sits with me, though I'm not using it to block my exploration, is: Is this work suitable for someone was not raised Christian or with the bible (Bahai, in my case). From my limited understanding, the Course seems so far quite focused on biblical brainwashing, or better the undoing of such. I'm not actually all that familiar with the bible, but even the formating of the books are similar.
      Like I say I'm not using this a reason to not continue, its more a curious observation.
      Blessed be
      Aurora
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        Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

        Wed, January 11, 2006 - 3:54 PM
        Good question Aurora,

        The Course is for all and any, I have zero christian or religous background and the Course speaks to me clearly.

        The Course was given to the world as a correction to Christianity and uses similar languaging to align with this intent.

        As you will see there is no preferential treatment given to either gender. Truth is Truth and transcends our ego's need to label and categorize. As the Course teaches, nothing means anything, even the languaging of the Course and even the Course itself.



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          Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

          Thu, January 12, 2006 - 11:35 AM
          Thank you for your light Bruce. Upon broader examining, it seems obvious now to use this formating as western society is very much based on Christianity, whether raised within the church or not.
          Blessings
          Aurora
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            Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

            Thu, January 12, 2006 - 12:50 PM
            No no... thank YOU!
            • Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

              Thu, January 12, 2006 - 1:46 PM
              The Christian language seems only to be a cultural context.
              I say this because, the scribe and all her closest friends
              who statred using it were either Atheists, Agnostic-academics,
              or nominally Jewish. Bill was interested in vedanta, but not very deeply. His edition of the material reads quite differently from the Wapnick edition which is now standard.
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                Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

                Thu, January 12, 2006 - 1:54 PM
                So true Mark, good points.... I also appreciate the fact that Helen Schucman did not want her name associated with the Course until after her death which totally eliminated the idea she was doing it for any personal gain.

                An associate of mine met Helen many years ago and said that after meeting her he really saw that she was not the person who wrote it, that it had to come from somewhere other than her. Especially that her personal beliefs were totally opposite to what the Course teaches.
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                  Thu, January 12, 2006 - 2:06 PM
                  My friends and teachers Jack and Eulalia Luckett,
                  who worked closely with Helen and Bill in the early days mention that people sometimes asked Hellen why the Course
                  didn't dramatically affect her life-- it did but just not dramatically. Her response was that she didn't believe it! To her dying day she remained a skepic.

                  Bill conversely was a devoted Course student and the day he died, his bed stand had the workbook open to that day's lesson. He did his daily lesson every day of his life from the beginning...
  • Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

    Sun, June 18, 2006 - 12:09 PM
    I also had a lot of problems with the male-oriented language once I got into the workbook. I didn't bother me in the theory section; I would just add "or she" as I read, for example. But once I got into the workbook and was supposed to repeat every 15 minutes something like "I am a holy Son of God" well I just couldn't relate. I didn't even want to change it to "I am a holy Daughter of God" cause that would be even more tying myself to a gender and the point is, I'm genderless because the separation never happened and this body isn't real. The real problem I couldn't get past was what I imagined of the viewpoint of whoever was sharing the information with Helen when she channeled the course (the source of the course). Why couldn't they just write "I am a holy child of God" to express the idea? There are many opportunities to be truly gender free in the writing, not just saying to the women "well you know its gender free and Son means child." If it means child, write child.

    So this callous disregard for the viewpoint of women is what I couldn't get past and I eventually stopped doing the workbook. The lessons became more struggles than trainings, as I kept coming upon cognitive dissonances whenever I came across something that made me male. Again, I don't have to identify female, and am happiest with gender neutral language. But son, and he, and him, and so on are not gender neutral to me.

    A friend of mine tells me that I have to learn to forgive myself for having this reaction. I guess I'm nowhere near that yet since all I can see is the desire to forgive the writers of the course for creating the conflict in the first place by expecting all women to do internal gymnastics to be able to benefit from the course, while men can just read it naturally. Why is it we are always the ones who are supposed to let things go and be flexible? How can this be a new liberating philosophy if it presents the same old assumptions that women should be the sacrificing ones, as what, the nobler more mature half of the species? I don't think so.
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    Re: Help w/the "masculine" language...

    Wed, August 2, 2006 - 8:13 PM
    I just stated the course with some friends. I don't have much of a problem these days, but I was reading other simialr books and decided that I would have to change my terminology, just to finish reading. But then I realized that they are just words...!! So now I resonate with the message and pay less attention to how they are saying it.

    I tried to read, "disapperance of the universe" but it was so slow moving that I put it down. There are other books out there that I resonate with. Gary Renard lives here in Maine and is going to be speaking in Sept so I thought maybe I would go and listen to what he has to say.

    Thanks
    Sherri

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